[smithlavon483]

Well I be the first to post here regarding Toyota's new Prius. The Prius Prime Hybrid sure looks like a home run to me regarding exterior and interior new look. Heck you wouldn't even know it was a Prius, looking at the new streamlined body and smooth detailing. I've been concentrating on new EV's and trying to find something under $35,000. Hard to do until Chevy came out with the 2024 Equinox EV. Which I was leaning towards until I found out about the new Prius Prime.

I've got mixed feelings toward hybrid vehicles and EV. I wonder if hybrids will still be around in a few years, since it seems most major auto manufacturers are going all in on EV production on all vehicles lines. Just wonder if we're going to see a complete jump from ICE to EV and nothing in between. On the other hand I do feel new EV's coming out could have there fair share of recalls and performance issues. Be it bad batteries to complaints about lack of charging stations to slow charging delays. We're just in the first inning of the EV game where hybrids have been around for say twenty years. That probably works in Toyota favor right now. Just don't know come 2025 and beyond when more EV will be produced and on the road.

In any case looking forward to seeing what the price ranges are for the Prius Hybrid and Prime Hybrid will be and when actually delivery will take place in U.S. I'm assuming the Prius won't qualify for a tax credits in U.S. since it won't be made in the U.S. but not sure about battery tax credit. Some what of a shame if U.S. EV's all get.a sizable tax credit while Hybrids and EV's made in Japan receive no tax credits.

 

[1mrBlacky]

Well I be the first to post here regarding Toyota's new Prius. The Prius Prime Hybrid sure looks like a home run to me regarding exterior and interior new look. Heck you wouldn't even know it was a Prius, looking at the new streamlined body and smooth detailing. I've been concentrating on new EV's and trying to find something under $35,000. Hard to do until Chevy came out with the 2024 Equinox EV. Which I was leaning towards until I found out about the new Prius Prime.

I've got mixed feelings toward hybrid vehicles and EV. I wonder if hybrids will still be around in a few years, since it seems most major auto manufacturers are going all in on EV production on all vehicles lines. Just wonder if we're going to see a complete jump from ICE to EV and nothing in between. On the other hand I do feel new EV's coming out could have there fair share of recalls and performance issues. Be it bad batteries to complaints about lack of charging stations to slow charging delays. We're just in the first inning of the EV game where hybrids have been around for say twenty years. That probably works in Toyota favor right now. Just don't know come 2025 and beyond when more EV will be produced and on the road.

In any case looking forward to seeing what the price ranges are for the Prius Hybrid and Prime Hybrid will be and when actually delivery will take place in U.S. I'm assuming the Prius won't qualify for a tax credits in U.S. since it won't be made in the U.S. but not sure about battery tax credit. Some what of a shame if U.S. EV's all get.a sizable tax credit while Hybrids and EV's made in Japan receive no tax credits.

WOW much to respond to 483, I totally agree on the upscaled overall package, their two New models should sell very well. Depending on production of course. To me, Congress, in it's infante wisdom, decided US EV's would be the primary beneficiary of their GM love affair.

The Chevy Bolt and EUV should be seeing another substantial price reduction, affording folks the opportunity to buy an EV at very affordable prices, they are not Toyota's but who am I to say. I'm just waiting to test this super Prius Hybrid and probably make my purchase!

 

[ronaldschlegel]

I want to trade in my gas-guzzling car for a new, reasonably-priced, fully electric or plug-in hybrid, and have my eye on the cool, new, 2023 Toyota Prius Prime plug-in hybrid, or Prius hybrid, and debating which makes the most long-term sense. I tend to hold my vehicles for about 8 years.

If I buy a plug-in hybrid Prius Prime, in 8 years, it may become obsolete, as there may be electric charging stations located as commonly as gas stations. If I buy a full electric vehicle, I will need to rent a gas-powered car whenever I want to travel far beyond my metro area into remote regions, until charging stations become more common, and battery capacity has increased.

The critical questions are, how many years will it be before a plug-in hybrid vehicle will become obsolete and unsalable?

Which solution makes the most long-term sense today, full electric or plug-in hybrid?

I wonder if theres a website to track the growth of EV charging stations.

I also wonder how hard it would be to remove the gas engine and all related components( exhaust, intake, etc.), when we can abandon our gas powered vehicles.

 

[Easy Rider]

The critical questions are, how many years will it be before a plug-in hybrid vehicle will become obsolete and unsalable?

Probably not in your lifetime.
Think about how many cars a day that fill up at your favorite gas station.
Even if it only takes an hour to charge, it would take a huge number of charging ports to accomplish the same thing.
Parking space alone will be a problem.

For most people, I think the plugin hybrid makes the most sense now.
Especially for the next 8 years.

Note: If this country had not STUPIDLY allowed it's rail network to be dismantled, this discussion might look entirely different.

 

[franklin.ken]

I'm currently running about 88 mpg on my 2021 Prime. The only times I visit a gas station are when I have to take a long trip. For most of my driving, the 34 miles I get on the battery (for some reason, Consumer Reports and others estimate a much lower battery range) are enough. I love that, and love the car. It's my third Prius, and I'll probably get another when the technology significantly boosts battery range, though range anxiety would keep from going the Tesla route.

 

[1mrBlacky]

Probably not in your lifetime.
Think about how many cars a day that fill up at your favorite gas station.
Even if it only takes an hour to charge, it would take a huge number of charging ports to accomplish the same thing.
Parking space alone will be a problem.

For most people, I think the plugin hybrid makes the most sense now.
Especially for the next 8 years.

Note: If this country had not STUPIDLY allowed it's rail network to be dismantled, this discussion might look entirely different.

One day I’m guessing, a presidential candidate will be shouting: What this country needs is a good rail system!! And, that candidate will be correct.

 

[Easy Rider]

One day I’m guessing, a presidential candidate will be shouting: What this country needs is a good rail system!! And, that candidate will be correct.

Highly unlikely.
That horse is already out of the barn.

And it would take funding that might rival the ENTIRE Federal budget for a few years to get it done.

And finally, people are just STUPID.
In Florida, the population is growing at a tremendous pace.
But every time a much needed new major road is proposed, there is a crowd of people lined up to oppose it.
Stupid.

 

[1mrBlacky]

Highly unlikely.
That horse is already out of the barn.

And it would take funding that might rival the ENTIRE Federal budget for a few years to get it done.

And finally, people are just STUPID.
In Florida, the population is growing at a tremendous pace.
But every time a much needed new major road is proposed, there is a crowd of people lined up to oppose it.
Stupid.

People are Lemming’s, we just follow I’m not sure about the mostly stupid part.

Are you suggesting MORE artery clogging roads for Florida? My thought, good inner-city mass transit systems might just allow people to become less dependent on the automobile, I just don’t see what’s stupid there, just my thoughts.

And Finally: EVs of all kinds would become much more preferable in and around already overclogged cities, where short trips are the rule not an exception, let’s face it. The Eisenhower Road System simply doesn’t fit into the hugely crowded areas like Florida, but I agree - Highly Unlikely!

 

[Easy Rider]

Are you suggesting MORE artery clogging roads for Florida?

The Eisenhower Road System simply doesn’t fit into the hugely crowded areas like Florida, but I agree - Highly Unlikely!

Looks like you don't live in Florida.

MOST of it is still rural in nature.
The big population centers seem to have done a pretty good job of taking care of their
local road needs.......but the State has really fallen down on the job.

We need more connections into and out of the state and between the big cities.
And the rural areas need more good "local" roads too; mostly east and west.
There still are a lot of "you can't get there from here" areas.

I 75 and 95 are at or over capacity most of the time.
A modest State proposal to add another toll road route in the northern part of the state is meeting with
a lot of opposition.......from morons who are afraid that it might disrupt their chickens.

 

[1mrBlacky]

Looks like you don't live in Florida.

MOST of it is still rural in nature.
The big population centers seem to have done a pretty good job of taking care of their
local road needs.......but the State has really fallen down on the job.

We need more connections into and out of the state and between the big cities.
And the rural areas need more good "local" roads too; mostly east and west.
There still are a lot of "you can't get there from here" areas.

I 75 and 95 are at or over capacity most of the time.
A modest State proposal to add another toll road route in the northern part of the state is meeting with
a lot of opposition.......from morons who are afraid that it might disrupt their chickens.

Interesting thanks for the clarifications.

No I’m not in Florida, in Western North Carolina, where the song title; ‘She’ll be commin round the mountain when she comes’ makes Sooo much sense. Many (to many) of our primary roads are operating above recommended capacities already, most if not all of our Southeastern states have been experiencing large population increases stressing roadways beyond established wagon or logging road clearings. I’ve no idea what to say about I 95 or 75.

Someone said: I’m paraphrasing here - It doesn’t matter who comes through my farm, ‘they kill my chickens’

 

[1mrBlacky]

My Toyota dealership as is the entire nation continuing to wait on the shipments from Japan for the new hybrid Prius to arrive. Guessing they must be close because I've been very glad to hear from my dealer Sorry No Allocations Yet .

 

[1mrBlacky]

My Toyota dealership as is the entire nation continuing to wait on the shipments from Japan for the new hybrid Prius to arrive. Guessing they must be close because I've been very glad to hear from my dealer Sorry No Allocations Yet .

Allocations are starting to arrive in and around our region, just drove an XLE today and I enjoyed the vehicle,. It handled quite well and the sport mode kicked the Prius into a real fun driver category.

 

[franklin.ken]

I'm currently running about 88 mpg on my 2021 Prime. The only times I visit a gas station are when I have to take a long trip. For most of my driving, the 34 miles I get on the battery (for some reason, Consumer Reports and others estimate a much lower battery range) are enough. I love that, and love the car. It's my third Prius, and I'll probably get another when the technology significantly boosts battery range, though range anxiety would keep from going the Tesla route.

Update to my previous post: I now get better than 37 miles on battery, and it keeps getting higher with every plug-in. Anyone else experiencing this?

 

[ronaldschlegel]

Imagine, by 2030-35, the majority of Americans owning EV's, and most charging them cheaply between 10 pm and 7am (eastern, central and pacific time). That will eliminate the current low-demand period for electricity, and possibly making 9:30-12:00 am the new low-demand time. Thoughts?

 

[1mrBlacky]

Update to my previous post: I now get better than 37 miles on battery, and it keeps getting higher with every plug-in. Anyone else experiencing this?

Real Good numbers, the 2023 hybrid I drove yesterday only runs pure EV for a very short duration, the prime is scheduled to arrive for sale soon and I believe it’s said to produce 220 bhp with Toyota listing a mid 40 mile EV Range! Not too shabby me thinks.

 

[Easy Rider]

Update to my previous post: I now get better than 37 miles on battery, and it keeps getting higher with every plug-in. Anyone else experiencing this?

Some batteries gain a tiny bit of capacity after their first few charge cycles BUT.......
It is more likely that warmer weather is the controlling factor.
Where do you live ? Was it COLD when you first got it ??

 

[franklin.ken]

Some batteries gain a tiny bit of capacity after their first few charge cycles BUT.......
It is more likely that warmer weather is the controlling factor.
Where do you live ? Was it COLD when you first got it ??

I live half the time in NY, half in Florida, but always in mild or hot weather. Not cold since I got it last year. And for a while the battery range was stuck in the low 30s. Now it's climbed to almost 38. I haven't taken a long trip in months, so that might be a factor; all my trips are on battery, which is kinda neat. Oh well, I ain't complainin'.